Your language is miserable,by posting your article you proved only one 
thing.You live up to your name.

In article >,
Jean Nail > wrote:


>   Docevski, who the hell is asking your oppinion on the subject.

    And who asked YOURS? I answered in this thread in sce. As you can, I
hope, READ, this is a multi-group thread.

>   And why don't I see soc.culture.macedonia, in the list above???

    Oh, you will, don't worry about it. :-)

>   Seems like you spend more time in our newsgroup, then in your own.
>   I would assume they don't discuss anything new, 'cept for the new
>   underwear of Kiro Grigorov.....

    Nooo...How did you guess???

>   If you are such a devoted anti-bulgarian, why are you taking part
>   in our discussions.....I call that slimy hypocrism.
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^

    This word doesn't exist, oh, semi-literate descendant of Asparuh...

>   Not that its not typical of a fyromian....:)
                                  ^^^^^^^^^

    This doesn't exist either. :-)))

    Boris Docevski )
    http://www.isc.rit.edu/~bvs4997/Macedonia (Virtual Macedonia)
    http://www.erc.msstate.edu/~vkire/faq (Macedonia FAQ)
    http://www.lebisol.com (Leb i Sol)

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Contents

  1. General Information, What Is The Hungarian American List
  2. WWW, FTP, Usenet, Gopher Info, List Archives 
  3. Regular Services From The Hungarian American List
  4. How To Subscribe Or Unsubscribe
  5. How To Post To The Hungarian American List
  6. What To Post To The Hungarian American List
  7. What Not To Post To The Hungarian American List
  8. HunOR - Hungarian Online Resources 
  9. Hungarian Electronic Resources FAQ
 10. soc.culture.magyar Usenet group by mail
 11. Hungarian Lobby political forum
 12. Disclaimers

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Subject: 1. General Information, What Is The Hungarian American List?

1.1 Purpose - The Hungarian American List has been created to serve the
community with information of Magyar (Hungarian) interest. It is intended
to provide a general medium for those interested in expressing, sharing,
and exchanging their views, ideas, and feelings about Magyars (Hungarians)
and Magyar (Hungarian) culture. Posting to the list about Magyar
(Hungarian) events in the United States is strongly encouraged. 

1.2 Language - The group is a mixed language Magyar (Hungarian) / English
(Angol) group. Anyone, regardless of race, ethnic origin, religion or
political belief can post to the Hungarian American List. This list is to
promote understanding between people with interest in modern Hungarian
culture, politics and Hungarian history, cultural heritage. 

1.3 Moderation - The list is unmoderated, with no limit on daily postings.
It is up to your discretion what you post to the Hungarian American List. 

1.4 Distribution - Mail sent to the posting address, >,
is distributed in four different forms. These lists are:

1.4.1 hungary list - you get every mail that has been sent to 
the > address, one-by-one, immediately

1.4.2 hungary-digest list - you get every mail in digest form, once a day

1.4.3 hungary-news list - you get only the news from the list, no discussions,
digest form, once a day

1.4.4 hungary-talk list - you get everything but news items from the list, 
digest form, once a day


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Subject: 2. WWW, FTP, Usenet, Gopher Info, List Archives

2.1 The WWW Home Page of the Hungarian American List is located at URL

	http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/

2.2 The WWW homepage of the UMCP Hungarian American Association, owner of
the Hungarian American List, is located at URL

	http://www.glue.umd.edu/hungaria/ 

The mailing address of the UMCP Hungarian American Association is :

	

2.3 On the WWW, the archives of the Hungarian American List are located at URL

	http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/archive/ 
	http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/ftp/archive/
	ftp://mineral.umd.edu/pub/hungary/

2.4 The archives and several other important documents can be reached via
anonymous FTP. Login to mineral.umd.edu as anonymous, give your full email
address as your password when asked. The archives are located in the
pub/hungary directory. 

2.5 Digests of the Hungarian American List and news from the list are
regularly posted to the soc.culture.magyar newsgroup on Usenet. You might
be able to find postings from the Hungarian American List in any Usenet
archive, such as e.g. 

	http://mineral.umd.edu/usenet/soc.culture.magyar/

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Subject: 3. Regular Services From The Hungarian American List

   * Daily     : An opportunity for uncensored, unlimited electronic 
                 discussions
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                 Hungarians and Americans
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   * Weekdays  : OMRI Analytical Briefs
   * Every 2-3 
     days      : Reuter, UPI and AP news
   * Regularly : AAYH announcements
   * Regularly : News from NATO
   * Regularly : Hungarian Lobby action announcements
   * Regularly : Update on the growing Hungarian WWW situation  

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Subject: 4. How To Subscribe Or Unsubscribe

4.1 It is very important that you understand the following lines in order
to fully enjoy the advantages of the discussion list. You have to send
your commands to subscribe, unsubscribe to the >
address. This address is different from the list's address,
>, the address where you should send your messages. 

4.2 It is also important for you to understand, that regardless whether
you are subscribed to <hungary>, <hungary-digest>, <hungary-talk> or
<hungary-news>, you should always send your letters, comments to the
> address. > is the "INPUT"
address for all four lists. There are four "OUTPUT" lists for the same
input, therefore, please, make sure that you are receiving letter either
from <hungary> (everything, mail-by-mail) or <hungary-digest> (everything
in digest form), or <hungary-talk> (no news in digest form), or
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the following in the body (not the subject line) of an email message to
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the following form instead: 

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	who hungary
or
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mail the command below to  : 
	
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or
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Subject: 5. How To Post To The Hungarian American List

5.1 To post an article/message/question to the whole list, send it to
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subscribers. This is valid for all for list. If you are subscribed to the
News, Digest or Talk lists, your posting address - the address where you
should send your responses to - is still the  address.
The lists work like this: 

5.1.1 hungary : on HAL everybody receives all of the messages, one at a time

5.1.2 hungary-digest: you receive all of the messages, in digest form., once 
a day

5.1.3 hungary-news: you receive only the news items from HAL in digest form

5.1.4 hungary-talk: you receive everything from HAL but the news items, in 
digest form

5.2 Replying -Simply reply to the mail you will receive from your list.
Your mailer should use the address under the Reply To: field. To send a
message to the originator of the article, reply to the article and make
sure you are using only the address under the From: field. 

5.3 The list is unmoderated; nobody screens the messages before they are
posted. Before you post to the list, be sure that your message is correct.
Use lines shorter than 80 characters since many mailers truncate longer
lines. Remember that what you post will be received by many people
throughout the world. Try to educate and be educated, although, do not be
afraid to ask any questions regarding Hungary and Hungarian Americans. In
particular, if you ask a question, you should send a summary of the
responses to the list, thus allowing others to learn along with you. 

5.4 Subject - The most important part of your posting is the Subject
field. The subject line should not be longer than 40 characters. People
screen incoming e-mail by the subject line, so make it clear. 

5.5 Size - If you are posting a long file, please split it into chunks
which are smaller than 50 kBytes. Always identify the part number and
total number of parts in the Subject line . 

5.6 Your email address - As a courtesy to the other subscribers, it is a
good idea to include your name and e-mail address at the end of your
message so that people may contact you directly. The e-mail address in the
message header can sometimes be mangled en route to the other subscribers;
including it manually or in your signature file will ensure that others
have your proper e-mail address. (On the other hand, try to keep your
signature down to three or four lines; more than that wastes bandwidth.)

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Subject: 6. What To Post To The Hungarian American List

Possible topics of discussions may include :

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   *  societies, traditions, customs ,folklore
   *  languages, books
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   *  sports, tennis, hiking, soccer
   *  travel, carpooling, air-travel
   *  Other Hungarian, Hungarian American associations' news
   *  etc...

In general, anything that you are interested in is worth sharing with the
people on the list, regardless of whether or not it has direct connection
to Magyar (Hungarian) issues . 

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Subject: 7. What Not To Post To The Hungarian American List

Things you may not want to post to the list :

   *  anti-Hungarian soliciting
   *  hate mail
   *  racist attacks
   *  personal attacks

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Subject: 8. HunOR - Hungarian Online Resources 

HunOR is a collection of people and services that was formed to provide
information about Hungary and Hungarian Americans. Currently it consists
of: 

*  UMCP Hungarian American Association Homepage 
   (http://www.glue.umd.edu/~hungaria/)
*  Hahn - Hungarian American HyperNews, (http://mineral.umd.edu/hahn/)
*  HAL - Hungarian American List, (http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/)
*  HIR - Hungarian Information Resources, (http://mineral.umd.edu/hir/)
*  HL - Hungarian Lobby, (http://mineral.umd.edu/hl/)
*  Interactive Usenet Archives, (http://mineral.umd.edu/usenet/)

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Subject: 9. Hungarian Electronic Resources FAQ

Further information about other Hungarian Internet sources can be found at
the following sites : 

*  http://mineral.umd.edu/faq/
*  http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/
*  ftp://mineral.umd.edu/pub/faq/
*  ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/soc.culture.magyar/
*  ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/rtfm/usenet/news.answers/hungarian-faq
*  ftp://ftp.alt.net/pub/hungarian/

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Subject: 10. soc.culture.magyar Usenet group by mail 

The Hungarian Usenet group - soc.culture.magyar is available via our new
service. You will be able to receive and reply to individual postings
using a so called Mail-To-News gateway. 

10.1 Subscription - To subscribe :

* send a mail to 
* no Subject necessary
* in the body of the letter write:

	subscribe soc-culture-magyar
or
	subscribe soc-culture-magyar-digest
 
, if you want to receive the Usenet postings in digest form, one mail per day.

10.2 How to unsubscribe :

* send a mail to 
* no Subject necessary
* in the body of the letter write:

	unsubscribe soc-culture-magyar
or
	unsubscribe soc-culture-magyar-digest

In other words, please, just follow the probably well known procedures for
Majordomo lists. You will find above more details about Majordomo
commands. We hope this way we are bringing even closer the Hungarian and
American community. 

10.3 How to send a message to the Usenet group soc.culture.magyar? Simply
reply to the mail you will receive from .
Your mailer should use the address under the Reply To: field. To send a
message to the originator of the article, reply to the article and make
sure you are using the address under the From: field. The messages will
have an SCM:... subject line, to help you to tell soc.culture.magyar
messages from your regular mail. 

10.4 The archive of the soc.culture.magyar Usenet group is located at URL
http://mineral.umd.edu/usenet/soc.culture.magyar/

10.5 The following directory contains the archives of numerous other
Usenet groups of Hungarian interest: 

	http://mineral.umd.edu/usenet/

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Subject: 11. Hungarian Lobby political forum

11.1 The Hungarian Lobby (HL) is not a discussion group or a debating
society. Our goal is to influence our political leaders and the media
through the writing of letters and articles, which we send by E-mail,
fax-broadcasting and through regular mail. 

11.2 All HL participants are asked to post ALL letters they send to their
representatives or the press, so that we all can benefit from the ideas
contained in them and can give support, if we agree with them. Similarly
we would like you to post the news of all law or human rights violations
that you learn about within the Carpathian Basin, or any news of of
incomplete or erroneous reporting on Hungary in the Western press. 

11.3 The list is available in regular <hl> and digest <hl-digest> form.
There is also the moderated <hl-action> list, for busy individuals who
want to participate in lobbying for Hungarian causes but do not want to
participate in discussions. 

11.4 To subscribe to the Hungarian Lobby, Hungarian Lobby Digest or
Hungarian Lobby Action lists, send the corresponding command in the body
(not the subject line) of an email message to 
either
	subscribe hl 
 or
	subscribe hl-digest
 or
	subscribe hl-action

11.5 The archives of the Hungarian Lobby are located at URL

	http://mineral.umd.edu/hl/archive/
	http://mineral.umd.edu/hl/ftp/archive/
	ftp://mineral.umd.edu/pub/hl/

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Subject: 12. Disclaimers

The list is provided, as is, to people interested in Hungarian culture. 
It is provided with the intention of helping to keep Hungarians and
Americans informed and in closer contact with each other. By posting to
this list you agree that the content represents your personal opinion. In
no event will University of Maryland (UMD), its employees and affiliates,
or the list administrators be liable for the opinions or materials posted.
UMD is not reviewing the materials submitted to this list and cannot stop
their distribution. The messages distributed by the Hungarian American
List come without any warranty. If you decide to use them, you do so at
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If you want someone to take you seriously,quote something from credible 
sources.Like Britannica,etc.,in order to sustain your vulgar argument.

In article >,  > wrote:
>
>	Sainthood is not bestowed on anyone for ethnic origin
>	and apparently suffering does not necessarily make us
>	think either.  Accepting that humanity is wretched
>	without God is probably as close to reality as we
>	are likely to get.

Amen to that!

Joe Pannon

 wrote:
> 
> Kozly, skol'ko mogno ?
> 
> Zaymites' chem-nibud' bolee poleznym.


Shcho to take skazav kozel po moskovske?
My tut zviriachu movu ne rozumiyemo!

In any case, if the Russians living in Ukraine do not want to
learn Ukrainian let them go back to Mother Russia!
No one will miss them.  And all should remember that the 
Russians were sent to Ukraine to populate Ukraine
after the Russians murdered millions of Ukrainians 
by the geonocidal famine of 1932.   

Regards, Dan K.

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In article >,  (Boris Doce
vski) wrote:
>
>In article >, Ivan Marinov
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, human life begins with conception. 
>
>    Not true. Human life begins when the fetus takes on all the properties
>human life has; pivotal here is the function of the brain, which doesn't
>begin until well into the 6-7 month of gestation.
>    NEVERTHELESS, the woman ALWAYS has the right to decide what to do with
>her body, including the right to abort her fetus.

Yes, she has the right to decide what to do with her body, but this does not 
include deciding what is done with the body of the human being connected to 
her.  I have the right to do what I want with my fist, but that does not 
include swinging it into the face of my mother, causing her injury.


"People have always drawn this line between  "a man whom life 
 people who are technological, and people     intoxicates...
 who have heart or are emotional.  To me,     has no need
 there is no distinction."                    of wine"
                           -James Cameron         -Anais Nin

   --- Eric Sansoni ----  ---- IRC: Snag ---
 * Home Page at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/3177/ *

In article >,
Maria Egorov > wrote:
>Your language is miserable,by posting your article you proved only one
>thing.You live up to your name.
>

Maria,
As you managed to piss off quite some people in the past few days (weeks) would
you please hint who you are talking (writting) to before you start your
tirades? (Assuming that you REALLY have to write at all, which I doubt.)
Thanks!
GK

BD>> Yes, human life begins with conception.

BD> Not true. Human life begins when the fetus takes on all the properties
BD> human life has....

Actually this is all a result of sloppy use of the language.  That which
will become a human being is human and is alive and may be termed a
human life.  However, a cancer growth is also human and alive and may be
termed a human life.  Society has never perserved "human life."

What you mean by human life, and what the pro-lifers are implying with
their use of the term is the life of a human being.  The life of a human
being begins at birth.  Birth is often defined as the beginning.

A "human life" -- something that is alive and came from a human --
started at conception.  A "human life" -- the life of a human being --
starts at birth.  To claim that both time a "human life" means the same
thing is a lie.  I would be generous and say confusion, but the
difference has been pointed out far too many times for it to be anything
but a deliberate lie.

Viability is not confering any special status on the fetus, but is
acknowledging that IF the fetus were to be born it would then be a human
being, capable of a self-contained and separate existance.  A viable
fetus is not a human being, and killing it is not murder.  Pro-life goes
ballastic on this point, which pro-choice ignores because, with very
few exceptions, no one ever aborts a healthy viable fetus.  And most if
not all of those exceptions are already illegal.

---
 ţ SLMR 2.1a ţ An' harm it none, do as thy will.

>> Slipstream Jet - The QWK solution for Usenets #UNREGISTERED

In article >,
Wally Keeler > wrote:
>the nation of Hungarian did. You are indulging in the broad brush approach
>of nationalistic slander, which is a chauvinist streak you share with Gabor
>Barsai when he claims that Canadians are uneducated. Similar claims are made

Oh, Wally, why do you always forget to mention your name when talking about 
chauvinism? If you claim I'm a chauvinist, you can claim the same title for
yourself, too.

Try to think rather than misrepresent for the purpose of gaining the moral high
ground.

Gabor

I assume that you want me to tell you where I live. All I can tell you is 
that 
I have a summer residence in SIBERIA.If you wish to visit me,you will be 

wellcomed in a traditional Siberian manner.(You can, as a matter of fact 

bring all your friends/relatives).

 (Maria Egorov) wrote:
>
>I assume that you want me to tell you where I live. All I can tell you 
is 
>that 
>I have a summer residence in SIBERIA.If you wish to visit me,you will be 

>
>wellcomed in a traditional Siberian manner.(You can, as a matter of fact 

>
>bring all your friends/relatives).


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Maria, Maria, Maria:

Lighten up, take it easy, this is America !

Besides, you're in need of spelling lessons. Polish up a bit the English.


Dr. Laszlo

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 (Andriamananjara Tahirisoa Rajaona) wrote:

>Hoy i Brad Smith ) tamin' ny Fri, 05 Jul 1996 15:05:13 -0400
 hoe:
>: Terrorist Bombing of the Khobar Towers, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia

>: On June 25, 1996, a brutal and cowardly terrorist attack on a 
>: multi-national peacekeeping force in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia left 19 dead 
>: and hundreds injured. These peacekeepers were enforcing United Nations 
>: sanctions and the dead and injured represent citizens from several 
>: nations. 

>: The United States Department of State is offering a reward of up to $2 
>: million for information leading to the arrest and/or conviction of those 
>: responsible for the Khobar Towers bombing.  Additionally, the Government 
>: of Saudi Arabia is offering a reward of $3 million.

>: Persons wishing to report information about the bombing of the Khobar 
>: Towers facility, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia; other terrorist attacks; or the 
>: planning of future terrorist attacks; should contact the authorities or 
>: the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate. In the U.S., contact the Federal 
>: Bureau of Investigation or call the Bureau of Diplomatic Security at 
>: 1-800-HEROES-1. Persons with information may also write:

>: HEROES
>: P.O. Box 96781
>: Washington, D.C. 20090-6781 USA

>: Internet e-mail: 

>: URL:  http://www.heroes.net

>Why don't you take the 5 million dollars and get the hell out of Saudi 
>Arabia. In fact, get the hell out of other people's countries and 
>business so that they do not need to become "fundamentalists". 

>Also, if using "any means necessary" to rid your country (or your house) 
>of vermine is cowardly then you US citizens have no idea what patriotism 
>and the love of your country is all about. 

>It is so easy to sit there and blame other people for trying to protect 
>their land when US people are many times worse when it comes to theirs. 
>How do you think people in the US will react if Yemen decided to send 
>5000 soldiers to Columbia, Missouri to protect its interests there? Just 
>the same way. In fact, this has been happening all through the history of 
>the US (whites hate black and vice versa, whites hate latinos and vice 
>versa etc....).

>SO PLEASE STOP THE HYPOCRISY AND ADMIT THAT THE US HAS NO RIGHT TO BE IN 
>SAUDI ARABIA (OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER) AND EXPECT THERE TO 
>BE NO RESISTANCE.

>Peace,
>============================================================================
>ANDRIAMANANJARA Tahirisoa                         
>                        SAMBATRA AHO FA MALAGASY
>============================================================================
      The rewards in life go to those who are willing 
       to give up the past.

         Don

In article >,
Maria Egorov > wrote:
>If you want someone to take you seriously,quote something from credible
>sources.Like Britannica,etc.,in order to sustain your vulgar argument.
>
>
Maria,
As you managed to piss off quite some people in the past few days (weeks) would
you please hint who you are talking (writting) to before you start your
tirades? (Assuming that you REALLY have to write at all, which I doubt.)
Thanks!
GK

In article >,
Maria Egorov > wrote:
>I assume that you want me to tell you where I live. All I can tell you is
>that I have a summer residence in SIBERIA.If you wish to visit me,you will be
>wellcomed in a traditional Siberian manner.(You can, as a matter of fact
>bring all your friends/relatives).
>

Maria,
As you managed to piss off quite some people in the past few days (weeks) would
you please hint who you are talking (writting) to before you start your
tirades? (Assuming that you REALLY have to write at all, which I doubt.)
Thanks!
GK

AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF YOUNG HUNGARIANS
                 FIATAL MAGYAROK AMERIKAI EGYESULETE
                      WWW: http://www.aayh.org/
                        EMAIL: 


Once again, the AAYH-Open will be held at Penn Scenic View on July 19 -
21.

The Open will start on Friday at 4PM and end on Sunday at Noon.  All
members and friends of the AAYH who are interested in discussing the
future of the organization are invited to attend and enjoy the weekend
with us.  No one under the age of eighteen will be admitted without a
parent or gaurdian.

Directions to Penn Scenic View:

>From the West:

1. Take Pennsylvania Turnpike to Exit 9 (Donegal Exit) Turn left at
stop sign onto Rt. 31 East/711 South

2. Continue on Rt. 31 East past 711 cutoff, for 12.4 miles through town
of Bakersville.

3.  About 4 tenths of a mile from Exxon Station in Bakersville, turn
right at Pioneer Park Campgrounds Sign.

4. Proceed on this road for 4 miles until road dead ends at stop sign.
This is County Line Road.

5. Turn left onto County Line Road and go 2 tenths of a mile to Penn
Scenic View sign on right.

6. Turn right and go one-half mile to Penn Scenic View sign on right.

7. Turn right onto a gravel road and proceed 6 tenths of a mile to Penn
Scenic View gate on right.

>From the East:

Take PA Turnpike to Exit 10 (Somerset Exit).  Turn right onto Rt 31
West.  Go approximately 5 miles and turn left at Pioneer Park.
Continue with number 4 above.

On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, Boris Docevski wrote:

> In article >,
> Jean Nail > wrote:
> 
> 
> >   Docevski, who the hell is asking your oppinion on the subject.
> 
>     And who asked YOURS? I answered in this thread in sce. As you can, I
> hope, READ, this is a multi-group thread.

  Listen, you need to check your nervous system, and then voice your own 
  oppinion.  While you still have the chemical imbalance, its hard to say
  its the real Borischo speaking....:)

> 
> >   And why don't I see soc.culture.macedonia, in the list above???
> 
>     Oh, you will, don't worry about it. :-)


   You are still doin' LSD, I see....:)

> >   Seems like you spend more time in our newsgroup, then in your own.
> >   I would assume they don't discuss anything new, 'cept for the new
> >   underwear of Kiro Grigorov.....
> 
>     Nooo...How did you guess???

   You are so orginal, maaaaan.....where did you get these skills maaaan...
  :)
 
> >   If you are such a devoted anti-bulgarian, why are you taking part
> >   in our discussions.....I call that slimy hypocrism.
>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>     This word doesn't exist, oh, semi-literate descendant of Asparuh...

  Ooooooh....Little Borischo, found a spelling mistake!!!
  If I call Skopje and tell your friends about your first achievment,
  would you promise to stay in your "soc.culture.macedonia" and don't
  post here??
  Also, you need not place comas between "oh", mr. 3/4-literate descendant of
  .....hmmmm......sorry can't think of anything right now. :)

> >   Not that its not typical of a fyromian....:)
> 
>     This doesn't exist either. :-)))
> 
  Ok pardon my ignorance -- serbo-fyromians.
  Sound better??  B-)

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I just wanted to send a giant BRAAAAAAVO to the Chicago Chapter on its 
successful construction of the Chicago Hungarian Day!  It is moments 
like this that make me especially proud to have once run the AAYH.  You 
are an inspiration to all of us as we plug along toward our larger 
goals! (Bernie Tamas)

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In article >,  ()
wrote:

> Andras Kornai > wrote:

> >In brief, both he and
> >Simonyi belonged into the "tolerated" category, as opposed to the "supported
"
> >and the "banned" categories, forming the "ta1mogatott/tu3rt/tiltott"
> >(supported/tolerated/banned) classification so characteristic of the period.
> 
> I think you're painting with a broad brush here.  Since the case of Simonyi
> was several times mentioned in the HIX FORUM (and perhaps SZALON, as well),
> even you should know that there is no parallel here.  He was essentially
> forced to an "internal exile" which he used to write his famous tome on the
> cultural history of physics.  I'm not familiar with the details of your dad's
> "emigration", but from what you were saying, he was shunned *after* his
> leaving the country.  Was I getting this wrong too, and he was already
> "blacklisted" before his leave?  If he was, how was it manifested?

OK, let's get back here a bit to the principles. There were supported and 
banned categories of people, you both seem to agree on this. What do each 
of you think should be the moral debt that the supported owe to the banned. 
How about the supported to that third (and most likely largest) category 
the tolerated. And last of all what do the tolerated owe the banned in a 
moral context?

> >Well us Ka1da1r Jugend felt rather good about it, it being the highest
> >court of the land and all.
> 
> Why don't you tell the outsiders then how the members of that body were
> selected in '89; how many were selected by the outgoing communist government
> and how many by the opposition.  This court was meant to save the hide of
> the former communist rulers and act as a trottle to the pace of changes.

Regime changeovers have had this feature for literally hundreds of years 
in democracies. Look at the United States. Marbury v. Madison the seminal 
case that defined the judiciary's power to review the constitutionality 
of laws came as a result of just such a "packing" scheme. Mr. Marbury got 
his appointment literally hours before the federalists were out of power 
(as did many others). He didn't make it in time to get his appointment 
officially sealed and the new minister from the opposing party refused to 
put another of his political enemies into a lifetime office. 

So what is the correct moral stance for a new regime that enters after 
a communist regime? Should the previous regime's appointments be respected 
even though you know that many of them will sabotage you at every opportunity?
Is the fact of the nature of the regime that appointed a government official 
a sufficient cause for immediate firing, review of the individual, or no 
legitimate cause of action?

> >I know you are among the few who question the
> >legitimacy of the whole Hungarian system, constitutional court and all, but
> >don't you see that the most vengeful retributionists in MIE1P never get
> >anything approaching 5% of the vote? It's like recovery of Transylvania: the
> >vast majority couldn't care less.
> 
> I think following the Czech example would also be a good start.  If
> MIEP had as much control over the national media as your ilk have, I'm sure
> the 5% could easily be on the other side.  At least on the retribution issue.
> And what has irredentism to do with this, unless as a cheap trick to line up
> DB on your side?

Have no fear, I know that we aren't discussing irredentism here. My 
positions on that question being quite clear (as are yours) but bringing 
this in would just serve as a distraction from the main point which I really 
would like to have a full discussion of.

DB

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Yes it is America,not Hungary.Ignore my spelling,concentrate on subject.
Are your Hungarian friends better spellers?Net.

I did not say that the Germans were an Arian nation.I said that the 
Germans 
pretended to be Arian. Of course this could not apply to the Hungarians.
The Hungarians know their history,there could not be a mistake in 
identity.

Here is an adress in Budapest:

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phone/fax: +36/1/113-02-81

I don't know anything more about them.

Good luck

Gabor Szepesfalvy