On 6 Jul 1996 in >
 (Maria Egorov) wrote:
|According to you the Hungarians gave the world a substantial number of 
|"Nobel Prize Winners". You must live in the past (Austro-Hungary).
|I should remind you that the Nobel Prize Winners you prezented to us  are 
|all nonHungarians.(Look Britanica,There are no Hungarin Nobel Prize 
|Winners.) They were Germans ,Slavs or Jews. Check their names.Reread your
|history and be careful.

My my aren't you the stingy and ungrateful one. Just because Gyorgy Kovacs
short-changed his people in a misguided attempt to claim that scientific
accomplishment is not an aspect of culture, doesn't mean you can come along
and piss on the list of Hungarians who have made accomplishments.

So if a person is born in Budapest and is Jewish, then they cannot be
regarded as a Hungarian winner of the Nobel Prize, but only as a Jewish
winner? A Jew cannot simultaneously be a Hungarian, Canadian, or American?
Is this the stupidity you are claiming?

George Faludy was born in Budapest, escaped to the USA, then settled in
Toronto for decades where he wrote many poems and books, cannot be regarded
as a Hungarian poet, but only as a Canadian poet? Ooops, he's Jewish, so he
has to be regarded as a Jewish poet regardless of the language in which he
writes. You are an idiot Maria -- perhaps your yeast infection was flaring
up when you posted that item.

Once you get over your bad case of the envies, you might realize that
Hungarians gave the world a substantial chunk of beneficial intelligence. I
haven't a singloe atom from the Hungarian gene pool inside me, yet it is
not a problem to acknowledge a substantial contribution by any people. If
it would make you feel better, the Hungarian gene pool also contributed a
substantial chunk to the dorkhead school of idiots, eg. Goober (yeast
infection licker) Barfsai and Gayorgy KoVacuous being two examples of 10-
watt intelligence.

But then again, since you bring up the good ole days of the Austro-Hung
love-in, let's acknowledge the intelligence brought by:

Janos Segner (1704-1777) b. Pozsony; inventor of the segner wheel, ancestor
of reactive trubines and motors.

Farkas Pazmandi Kempelen (1734-1804) b. Pozsony; invented the pontoon
bridge, power looms, a chess machine, and worked towards a language
accessable for the blind.

Farkas Bolyai (1775-1856), prof of math, author of Tentamen, anticipated
modern algebra and geometry; and his son, Janos Bolyai (1802-1860)
continued his father's work.

Ignac Semmelweiss (1818-1865) beat childbed fever, a disease which claimed
an extraordinary number of lives in its time.

Ferenc Pulszky (1814-1894), was one of the best known profs of Harvard.

Jozsef Makk founded the first engineering military college in the US.

Anyos Jedlik, (1800-1895), a Benedictine monk, constructed the first
electric motor (dynamo) in 1828 which he presented to his students in 1852.

My my, I bet that Goober and Kovacuous didn't know of any of this stuff
from their $19.95 education at Ohio State U. Alas, what can one expect from
watered-down Hungarians attending an interior US U. What chutzpah for an
"ethnic" Canadian to wave the tri-colours so vigorously, while a pair of
ethnic Hungarians piss all over such friendly alliances. Happily they don't
represent the Hungarian community.

-- 
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Please, check:

	http://www.easynet.co.uk/pages/cafe/ccafe.htm


Bye,


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My mother will travel to hungary somewhere around the 20th of july, and
she's looking for someone to help her stay awake, and preferably to
drive as well. she's leaving from Voorburg/ Den haag (Holland) and will
drive to  Varoslod, (region Aika, Veszprem, Papa) near the balaton lake.
The trip will take about two days, and the first night in Hungary you'll
be invited to spend in her house in Varoslod. So there's a shower
waiting for you after this long drive!!
Please send your reactions to me; Aukje. )

Thanks!!

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Moderation is for monks.
To enjoy the flavour of life, take big bites.

In article > Nathan Lipson,
 writes:
>>Hard to imagine life away from the net, but I'll be on the road for some time
. 
>>I need to check my mail at least. Do you know of Internet Cafes in the
>>the following cities:
>>
>>Krakow
>>Budapest
>Zagreb
>>Ljubjana
>>Split
>>Dubrovnik



>Dave Ulrich, 
>replied:
>In Prague there is a very lame internet cafe, run by Czechs and very
>unfriendly... However, the Terminal Bar is on the way!  It is a bunch of
>highly motivated and creative Americans who are going to create not only
>an internet cafe, but ...  



Hey Dave,

You must be one of those creative Americans, because you got your ad in
and nobody was even asking  ...

Ivan
("Hm, is he one of those unfriendly Czechs...?")

 writes:
>>Hard to imagine life away from the net, but I'll be on the road for some time
. 
>>I need to check my mail at least. Do you know of Internet Cafes in the
>>the following cities:
>>
>>Krakow
>>Budapest
>Zagreb
>>Ljubjana
>>Split
>>Dubrovnik



>Dave Ulrich, 
>replied:
>In Prague there is a very lame internet cafe, run by Czechs and very
>unfriendly... However, the Terminal Bar is on the way!  It is a bunch of
>highly motivated and creative Americans who are going to create not only
>an internet cafe, but ...  


| 
| Hey Dave,
| 
| You must be one of those creative Americans, because you got your ad in
| and nobody was even asking  ...
| 
| Ivan
| ("Hm, is he one of those unfriendly Czechs...?")
| 
 
Hey Ivan --

No need to be snide (as I usually am). I asked about Internet cafes in
Central Europe. I didn't specify Prague, but I'm sure there are hundreds,
if not thousands of people who would want to know about Prague. I don't
know anything about the cafe he disparaged, but I do know that Internet
service in the Czech Republic sucks, and it's outrageously expensive.
Why? Probably for the same reasons as in Latvia. If someone, anyone can
do a better job, I say that's great.

Thanks Ivan for your enormous contribution to rec.travel.europe and
soc.culture.czecho-slovak. Why didn't you include your URL in that
message?



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In article >,
Wally Keeler > wrote:
>ethnic Hungarians piss all over such friendly alliances. Happily they don't
>represent the Hungarian community.

Is this an insult? Am I supposed to feel insulted? Is this one of those moronic
"insults" like Bland Gland, which makes no sense?
Well, jumping horny toads, Wallace, who does represent the "Hungarian
community"? Does PM Cretin...ooops, I mean, Chretien represent the "Canadian
community"? Does he stand for the morals and values of all Canadians? Does the 
PQ represent the "francophone community" of Canada? Or Quebec?
What a cliche...as your dorky lil' wifey would sayest: "You're pawn of Bic,
Wally." Get an education (although, I know it's a contradiction to be a
Canadian and be educated); better yet, get a lobotomy from your local vet. I'll
happily supply the chainsaw, too.
Happily, I represent myself. Happily, I also represent part of the Hungarian
community. You, on the other hand, represent all the pseudo people in the
Pseudo Republic of Pseudo Poetry (PROPP).
Now, shoo, use the first joint you roll to go back to your silly PROPP.

Gabor

Original Topic Was: Ukrainian Language Now Official After Passing A   
New Constitution In  *Ex-Soviet* Ukraine

In article >,  says.
..
>
>In article >,  (alex) wrote
:
>
> 
>> 
>> The case of Belgium is not a valid model in the case of Ukraine.
>> The "Wallon" or "Flemish" speakers, did not under go forced "Frankification"
>> to my knowledge, nor repression of their language, concentration camps, 
>> genocide, deportations with the concomitment loss of life etc... and
>more etc...
>> 
>> Given the above in terms of the history, in the case of Ukraine, a very mild
,
>> favoring of the language, Ukrainian,  is not the horrible imposition as
>is being 
>> made out to be here by some posters. You also have the model 
>> of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. A far superior model for Ukraine to
>follow, in my
>> view and more relevant to the Ex-Soviet Union Republics.
>> 
>> Surely, you must agree?
>> I should also welcome posters from the Baltic Nations who have more knowledg
e
>> to comment as well.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alex
>
>Alex, I received this post of yours on 7/1  by e-mail.


Which "POST" of  %MINE%  did  %YOU%  receive by e-mail on 7/1 ??!!
This is simply not true!
How can you say something like that?
In front of everyone, where it is so easy to check?!!

Was it indeed possible, that being, "unable"  and “unsure”  of 
your position, that you knew you could not offer
a concrete and logical answer to my "POST",  that you
at that point, felt the need to use E-mail?
That  * you *  FIRST  E-mailed me?

That  * would *  be a far more *  accurate * statement, to be polite about it,
to say the least.
Shall I re-POST  headers?
Again?


> I replied the very
>same day 


Errr......  that would mean from the above, that you replied on 7/1, right?
Then why do I have this?

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From: "Mikhail  Alexeyev" >
Subject: Re: !CONSTITUTION OF UKRAINE ADOPTED!
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>and received another mail yesterday that confirmed that you
>received my answer. I also replied. Why do you have to post to a
>newsgroup?

What you say here is not... not .......  err.... correct.
I explained that a  %FEW%  times already, remember?

What you  had said, just said and are saying now,  is as inconsistent as your r
easoning.
Alternatively viewed, THAT seems to be very consistent for you, 
See above.
More specifically, pay very close attention to the  below,
if you can not find it above.
“Was it indeed possible, that being "unable" to give
a concrete and logical answer to my public ‘POST’, you
at that point, instead used E-mail?”

  
>
>Like I said before, before 843 and 1536 what now is Belgium has been
>divided between France and what later became Germany (I hope this fact
>creates some associations).

You did not say that before to me.
There is an error here.
One of us is wrong. 
Again.
Perhaps if you would be so kind as to verify that in your mailbox?
Or better yet, look up the  * correct *   wording
in my  * post * , found on many related news groups that would have
a  significant population or borders by or near or in fear  of Ex-Soviet(s),
or an interest in legal, social, matters.

Post title:
 __Mr. Alexeyev? Defend official Russian language status for Ex-Soviet Ukraine.
__

It has the  * complete *  exchange, between us. That post, also will once again
 explain
to you, your question of: “Why do you have to post to a newsgroup?”

Actually, if my poor memory  were to serve me correctly you stated (admitted?)
 that : “Frech was not implemented at this territory by means of Frankification
, famine or
Gulag, partially because such thing were invented some later on, but somehow
I refuse to beleive that it was a joyful process.”

That statement would seem to very much contradict what you have been saying, 
are saying, and would wish to continue to propound and impose on  
* EX * SOVIET *  Ukraine, and many other places I presume now wouldn’t it?
Or does your Soviet education preclude you from seeing that,  pray tell?


> You may notice that word Dutch (aka Flemish),
>spoken by another part of Belgium and also in Netherlands has the same
>root as 'Deuch' which means "german" in German, if I am not mistaken.
>Also, for some time Belgium was a part of Netherlands the country were
>people speak Dutch. If you want to say that process of adoption of either
>Dutch or French was joyful, I will disagree. Neither French not German
>used deportations or concentration camps. These things were invented
>later. I beleive that they had their own tools in 843-1536 that were not a
>bit less cruel to those who disobeyed. 
>
>You may also notice that Belgium has a tiny territory (German-speaking)
>that has been aannexed from Germany in this century (Belgian Crimea?).
>
>However, order to survive country had consider real differences between
>parts of its population and adopt 2 official languages (they learned their
>history when Joseph II ignored differences in  regions and had to deal
>with revolution). Now people living in Wallonia are considered
>French-speaking no matter what their native language is and people in
>Flandria are considered Dutch-speaking. Only those who happen to live in
>Brussels may choose between two. I think, this could become a model for
>Ukraine in a future after some clashes between russian-speakers and
>ukrainian-speakers, but I wish it was resolved in a constitution by
>adopting two official languages before any clashes happen.
>
>

Ah yes! :)
A  threat of force or use of force!
Nor is it the first time either. :)
A recurring theme,  though not only by you and your other
comrades-in- arms on this and related topics.
Not only here virtually on Usenet, but in actuality, the Baltic Nations, 
Eastern Europe, vague threats to the West of, “..look, if you don’t give us mor
e,
foreign aid, loans, trade concessions, credits, “gifts”, bribes, we will turn c
ommunist!
We can as you know be very brutal, violent, stupid as  you know we can.”

A very common theme of many Russians towards
(their term) “the near abroad” and everywhere it would seem.

This includes that of most of their leaders, or would be leaders.
Even down to the lowliest peasant, or student it would seem.
This is a very  # bizarre#  sense of  entitlement!
Brutality, lies, violence, towards everyone and yourselves.
Yet not even a hint of embarrassment!

They look you in the face/monitor and all you see are lies, distortions, violen
ce, evil.

Are you  * all *  clones?
What is it in that mind set or culture?
Why does it seem that you will sacrifice everyone and yourselves
to propagate it. At all and any cost.
You spend  * more *   $$$ in combat operations in Cheechna
then you do on the entire  * Ministry of Health *  for the entire
Russian “Federation”! 

What a low regard, and so little respect you and many of your compatriots
have for human life, even your own lives.

Sadly,

alex


>  
>Regards,
>
>M.A.
>
>P.S. I hope you will refrain from making public your another e-mail, the
>one about superiority of American English and your own.

PS   I did make that public!  :)
Did you not read it?  :)
Or are you embarrassed by it?
No.... someone like you and yours would not be, it appears, for the aforementio
ned reasons.
I am not at all ashamed by the   :)
logical analogy and *fairness*    :)     of the proposal I made in suggesting 
using Ukrainian  * AND *  the default, INTERNATIONAL language
of standard American English in Ukraine, are you?


> Don't make people
>laugh.
>

Why not?
I hope it did make people laugh.
I did.  :)
You evidently did not. :)
I hope it made people laugh almost as much
as your nonsensical proposal of * also *  using Russian as an OFFICIAL
language for the government in Ukraine, and by implication, for every * other *
non-Ukrainophone minority ethnic group in Ukraine.

Taking into account that there are many such groups,
it is far more reasonable to use a standardized, 
international language such as English for the category
of "all others" in terms of the aforementioned myriad ethnic
groupings, religions, etc. then to " impose"  * Russian * on them,
don't you think?
Or aren't you concerned with the Greeks, Jews, Germans, Hungarians,
Estonians, Lithuanians, Poles, Latvians, Romanians, Czechs, Slovaks, Belorus,
Tartars, Tadjickis, Khirghiz, Khazakis, Turkmen, *.*  , and  hopelessly
lost  silly American and Canadian tourists? 

> Don't make people
>laugh.
>

Hmm.....

It is not nice to order other people about either.
Nor order them to see a doctor and tell someone to, "put their tongue in their 
ass".
In addition to being vulgar, it is also rude.
You are not in the Soviet Union, and such practices of tongue placement, 
much in vogue in the Soviet Union and by current Soviet-Russo-Supermen 
apologists, is not the fashion here.
Speak like that to your mother!

This is in reference to your *unsolicited* E-mail, which you sent
me, (when you could not logically refute my post regarding
your Belgium language model  proposal vs. my Baltic Nations language
model proposal  in * public *. 

Remember?
I repeat it often, because you forget so often.

Therein  I * asked * you  *repeatedly* (twice),  to post  our  E-mail 
exchange and despite the fact that I did so (twice), you did not bother 
to even reply, despite the fact that it was you who initiated the E-mail exchan
ge.
For the reasons given above regarding your inability and lacks.

You gave, after exhibiting considerable rudeness during the mail exchange,
no reply. The presumption in this case, is of assent or indifference.
Nor do you address my public challenge of addressing my separate posts
on the language issue posted as separate articles in many groups.
Did you forget what they are?

My last post ended with this:

Well Mr. Alexyev?
I await your * detailed *   _post_   and  response to all of the above,
and to my other posts. 
Please try and stay focused and not run away again.
That would be rude!
Would you be so kind as to reply?

Thank you for your time!

Most sincerely yours,

alex

Nathan Lipson ) wrote:
: I need to check my mail at least. Do you know of Internet Cafes in the
: the following cities:

: Krakow

There is an Internet cafe near Main Square but I've never been there.
When I'll discover where it is exactly I'll let you know. Cracow is very 
nice city to visit anyway.

Cheers!
------------------
Mariusz Biedrzycki
Cracow, Poland

Hi,

	Can you help me in planning my budget-travel to Hungary
	at the end of july??

	- which is the best way (train/bus) to get from
	  Pecs to Debrecen in one day with a few hours stop-over in Szeged to
	  visit it?
	- any idea concerning the price for renting the smallest possible car
	  for three days getting it in Debrecen and giving it back in Sopron?
	- how much is unleaded fuel ?
	- are there any nice contryside-sightseeing roads in the
	  north-east region from Debrecen to Budapest?
	- what about cheap 1 night accomodation in Sopron (~15$/person)

	(Answers also by e.mail, please sometimes I've problems in checking news)

	Thanks and ciao,
		
				s.
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Mariusz Biedrzycki wrote:
| bleblebleble,
| stop typing, start thinking (browsing) folks
| here is the list of all cybercafe's in Europe:
| http://www.xs4all.nl/~bertb/cybercaf.html
| and this is one in Krakow:
| http://www.bci.krakow.pl/Pl-iso/cafe/index.html
| regards
| Jurek

Well, is it Mariusz or Jurek?

Stop thinking and start typing -- the second url contains 2 blank lines.
But the first, at xs4all, is the best European Internet cafe page I'v seen.
But with new cafes opening every week it's hard to be current. The page
doesn't include the one in Riga, Latvia, for example.







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Mariusz Biedrzycki wrote:
> 
> Nathan Lipson ) wrote:
> : I need to check my mail at least. Do you know of Internet Cafes in the
> : the following cities:
> 
> : Krakow
> 
> There is an Internet cafe near Main Square but I've never been there.
> When I'll discover where it is exactly I'll let you know. Cracow is very
> nice city to visit anyway.
> 
> Cheers!
> ------------------
> Mariusz Biedrzycki
> Cracow, Poland
> 
> 
bleblebleble,
stop typing, start thinking (browsing) folks
here is the list of all cybercafe's in Europe:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~bertb/cybercaf.html
and this is one in Krakow:
http://www.bci.krakow.pl/Pl-iso/cafe/index.html
regards
Jurek
> ==================================================
Jurek Foryciarz
Instytut Fizyki, Uniwersytet Jagiellonski, 
Reymonta 4, Krakow, Poland
tel (48) 12  336377 ext. 599
fax (48) 12  337086
E-mail 
URL http://zfj-www.if.uj.edu.pl/~foryciar
> ==================================================

Getting accomodation in Hungary for less than $15/night should not be 
problem, except maybe in Lake Balaton area.  In Budapest, the student 
dorms should have opened up for tourists by now, and these are usually 
available for $5 equivalent or so.  If you arrive by train to Keleti 
Palyaudvar (the eastern railway station), there will be zillions of 
people trying to pursuade you to stay with them, private room and 
otherwise.  Private rooms used to be cheap at about $10/night,person, but 
I think it's higher now.  There should be representatives from the 
hostels there too, and they are reliable people.  I'm not too keen with 
the other cities, but getting private room in Hungary is usually no 
problem.

The Lake Balaton area is rather crowded in the summer time, so you might 
not be able to find anything there.  In that case, you might consider not 
spending the night there.

I can't help you with train schedule, etc.  In Hungary, you can buy time 
tables at info counters in the train stations.  Ask for "menetrend," 
which should cost you around $3 equivalent.  Menetrend for busses exists, 
but I don't know where to go for that.  You might try info counters in 
large bus terminals in Hungary.

For international trains, try Thomas Cooke's European Time Table, which 
can be shipped to you from UK for some amount of money.  It is reliable, 
and covers most of the Europe (more extensively in the west, however).  
It gives you good ideas about what are possible and what is definitely 
not possible.  If you will be travelling extensively through Europe, you 
might consider getting it.

Does this help?  I sure hope so.....

Akira Negi

(alt) 

In article > Nathan Lipson,
 writes:
>Hey Ivan --
>
>No need to be snide (as I usually am). 

Hey Nate,

No need to chastise me in public - and then apologize in private.


>I asked about Internet cafes in
>Central Europe. I didn't specify Prague, but I'm sure there are hundreds,
>if not thousands of people who would want to know about Prague. 

You didn't specify many other things hundreds if not thousands of people
would want to know about. Why specify anything, for that matter...?


>I don't
>know anything about the cafe he disparaged, but I do know that Internet
>service in the Czech Republic sucks, and it's outrageously expensive.
>Why? Probably for the same reasons as in Latvia. If someone, anyone can
>do a better job, I say that's great.


I agree there. But if the thread you start is "does anybody know an
Internet cafe in Krakow and Budapest," how is anybody suppose to know you
really wanna talk about how terrible the service is in Prague?


>Thanks Ivan for your enormous contribution to rec.travel.europe and
>soc.culture.czecho-slovak. 

You're welcome. (Another reason why if you were wondering about the
Internet service in Prague, you could've asked directly.) 

>Why didn't you include your URL in that
>message?

Because if I'm dicing the guy for advertising his Internet service, I
can't quite include an ad for my own service, now can I?


Ivan


Nate, why didn't you include your sig in the original post?

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Laszlo Horvath > wrote:
>Dear contributos to this newsgroup:
>
>I hope that the rest of you too was upset by what the sickman of AOL,
>Megorov, has done. He has exercised censorship. I am not technically
>competent to figure out how Megorov has done the contributions. But many of
>you probably will solve the problem. Hungarians are good at technical
>matters and I hope that some of you will find a way to teach Megorov a
>lesson not, ever again, try to exercise "technical" censorship over other
>peoples' freedom of expression and, especially, not to meddle with
>Hungarians. 

Especially? What's so "especially" about Hungarians' freedom of expression
as apposed to Canadians' freedom of expression, or anyone elses for that
matter. My dear Mr Astuteness, you are revealing a tincture of ethnic
chauvinism -- perhaps this is what the Romanians point to when they talk of
the cruelties visited upon them when the Hungarians were in control of
Transylvania. 

>I have emailed to AOL (Megorov's Internet and email service) a letter of
>complaint, documenting as much as I could, Megorov's activities. It seems
>that AOL has a department, so called Postmaster, that is concerned with
>client abuses. 

My, my, gathering information and informing the appropriate authorities. I
never expected you to exercise the qualities of a fink.

>Please send an email to Him/Her (email is: ) I am
>attaching a copy of that letter below. I think what Megorov has done by
>this morning (here in California, June 28, Fridays) is just too much. He
>deserves to be punished.

The tribunal has spoken. So it be written -- so it be done.

>Sincerely, Laszlo horvath
>                       Hoover Institution
>                       Stanford University
>                       Palo Alto, CA
>                       June 28, 1996
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Tisztelt Elnok Ur

     Mint a Helsinki Vizsgalobizottsag elnokenek, alkalmam
nyilt arra, hogy az utobbi evekben Kelet-Europaban vegbement
oriasi valtozasokat sajat szememmel lathassam. Orvendetes, hogy
a leghatalmasabbak a szolasszabadsag teruleten kovetkeztek be.
Sajnalatos, hogy nehany esetben ez a szabadsag utat nyitott a
regota elfojtott es tudomasul nem vett faji turelmetlensegnek.
Nos, ezt az intoleranciat kell felismerni es orvosolni.
     E heten Romaniaban ket Bukaresthez kozeli faluban emberek
ezrei tamadtak meg es egettek fel a -- magukat romanak nevezo 
-- ciganyok otthonait. Mint az idei, korabbi es hasonlo
romaniai incidensek eseteben, most sem tudhato pontosan, hogy
mi szitotta fel a tuzveszt. Csak az ismeretes, hogy egyik
megnyilvanulasa ez a roma kossegek elleni falusi tamadasoknak,
az eroszak novekedesenek.
     Az Inkvizicio koratol a Holocaust idejeig a romaknak a
leggyalazatosabb emberi banasmod jutott osztalyreszul.
Elnyomtak es irtottak oket a Holocaust idejen. Felvaltva voltak
kiteve az eroszakos asszimilacionok es a valosagos
fajuldozesnek. Akaratuk ellenere sterilizaciora
kenyszeritettek es gyermekeiktol is megfosztottak oket. Megis
tuleltek mindezt.
     Oriasi tragedia volna, ha a roma nep, mely oly sok
megprobaltatast elt tul, egy olyan idoszakban lenne kenytelen
tovabb szenvedni, mely kulonben masok szamara oly sok jot
tartogat. Biztositanunk kell, hogy ezeket az embereket,
kulturajukat es orokseguket ne pusztitsa el a gyulolet es az
eroszak.
     Ugy ertesultem, hogy a roman belugyminiszter igeretet tett
az esemeny kivizsgalasara. Arra osztonzom kormanyat, hogy
kezdjen hozza, amilyen gyorsam csak lehetseges, es biztositsa a
bunosok felelossegre vonasat azoknak a CSCE alapelveknek
ertelmeben, amelyek a kisebbsegek vedelmere vonatkoznak, s
amelyek mellett elkotelezte magat a roman kormany is.
     Elnok Ur, surgos as ugy. Politikai foglyokat szabadon lehet
bocsajtani, betiltott konyveket meg lehet jelentetni, de az
elveszett eleteket sosem lehet vissza-adni.
                                      Veress Krisztina forditasa
                                      AMARO DROM Roma Lap
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Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

In article >,
Wally Keeler > wrote:

[Already posted stuff deleted]

> Just because Gyorgy Kovacs
>short-changed his people in a misguided attempt to claim that scientific
>accomplishment is not an aspect of culture, 

You are entitled to your opinion. So are others.

> If
>it would make you feel better, the Hungarian gene pool also contributed a
>substantial chunk to the dorkhead school of idiots, eg. Goober (yeast
>infection licker) Barfsai and Gayorgy KoVacuous being two examples of 10-
>watt intelligence.
>
>My my, I bet that Goober and Kovacuous didn't know of any of this stuff
>from their $19.95 education at Ohio State U.

>ethnic Hungarians piss all over such friendly alliances. Happily they don't
>represent the Hungarian community.
>Wally Keeler

You need to check with Gabor, I knew all that stuff long before I got here. As 
you have no brain you are unable to comprehend that the few names from 
Hungarian culture were far sufficient to do the job. When you lack the smarts 
you resolve to insults. Nothing new. And you call yourself creative ....
GK