>
> Torok Peter vetette fel:
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> >Valaki mar emlitette, hogy honnan adjunk mintakat a gyereknek, ha nekunk
> >sincsenek? En meg annyit teszek hozza, hogy a gyereknek nem az szamit,
> >mit mondunk, mit mutatunk neki, hanem hogy _kik vagyunk_. Magunk vagyunk
> >a mintak szamara. Tehat szerintem a gyerekneveles a magunk nevelesevel
> >kell hogy kezdodjon.
Pontosan erre gondoltam. Nem tudunk adni, ha nincs mibol.
>
> Igy igaz. Azonban az idonket ra kell szanni arra, hogy a gyermekkel
> egyutt legyunk,
Ez nem igy van, a gyereknevelesnek nincs meghatarozott ideje. Akinek
gyereke van az non-stop nevel. Ejjel nappal, amikor tudja es akkor amikor
azt hiszi nem akkor is. Ez nem ugy van hogy na most 3tol negyig gyereket
nevelek. Vagyis raszanni nem lehet idot....
igy a mintak vehetok legyenek a csecsemo es kisgyermek
> szamara. A regi nagy kulturakban, ahany kisgyermek volt a csaladban,
> annyi felnottnek kellett ott lenni es veluk foglalkozni. Peldaul ha
> en nem is szeretek olvasni, mert nem kaptam meg megfelelo idoben a
> mintat, azert meg olvashatok a picinek, nem szakadok bele.
Legy te a minta. Egyebkent ha ezt mar igy kepes voltal megfogalmazni,
akkor mar "megertetel valamit" tehat mostantok csak hivatkozl arra hogy
azert nem olvasol, mert "nem kaptal mintat", am ez egy bizonyos
eletkorban mar csak alibi. OLvasni nem csak azert olvas az ember, mert
ugy latta, hogy az emberek olvasnak es az olvasas ertek. Egy bizonyos
koron tul azert ujraertekeli az ember a hianyossagait is. En meg sose
gondoltam arra, hogy azert olvanek mert ezt igy lattam, egyszeruen oromot
jelent az, hogy olvasas kozben kozom van ahhoz a teremteshez, amelyet az
iro kezdett el.
> Igy o megkapja a megfelelo kodolast, ami belolem hianyzik. Igy a
> gyermekeimet magamnal jobb, erzekenyebb emberekke nevelhetem.
>
>
> >... Ahany
> >kisgyereket en eddig lattam, egyik sem nezett ki 'ures edenynek', amibe a
> >szulok ovatosan toltogetik a 'keszsegeket'. Eppen ellenkezoleg: mindegyik
> >egy hihetetlen, megismetelhetetlen egyeniseg, tele tehetseggel es
> >fogekonysaggal, szomjasan a szepre-jora. En ugy erzem, a gyereket ebbol
> >az eredendo allapotabol csak elrontani lehet, ha ezt nem veszi eszre
> >valaki. Tobbnyire sajnos sikerul is, legkesobb az iskolaban. De ez mar
> >egy masik tortenet.
A gyerek bizonyos ertelemben kevesebb mint a felnott, de bizonyos
ertelemben tobb is. Ha kepesek lennenk eloiteletek nelkul, tisztelettel
"tanulni" masoktol, sok olyan kincset kaphatnank, amink ugyn egyszer
mar volt de elvesztettuk.
> Miutan a gyermeket kb. 3 eves korig feltoltottuk azzal, ami tolunk
> tellett, utana mar maga valaszt, merre megy tovabb. Termeszetesen mindegyik
> masfele is mehet, a mi harom gyermekunk is haromfele, pedig nagyon hasonlo
> dolgokat kaphattak. Az intelligencia kb. 40 %-a oroklott, 20 %-a a mehen
> belul eltoltott magzati lethez kotodik, a tobbi neveles kerdese, elsosorban
> a nagyon korai idoszakban kapottakhoz kapcsolodik.
Szerintem az intelligencia sokkal kevesbe fontos mint ahogy gondolnank.
Vagy sokkal tobb. Szerintem nem az az igazi ertek, hogy egy haromszog
parjat ezerbol megtalaljuk, hanem az a kerdes, hogy koszonok-e a
szomszedomnak ha talalkozom vele...
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