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Bodnar Gabor, a kulfoldi magyar cserkeszet megvalositoja, december 22-en, 
Garfield-i otthonaban, csaladja koreben elhunyt.

Janos



--

In article >,  says...
>In article >,  
>says...
>>This is not all. California newspapers reported that the Oakland School
>>Board already acted on this study.  They approved Ebonics as an
>>official second language.  They will set up special education calsses
>>where the language of instruction will be Ebonics.  It will operate
>>like any other bilingual education program in California, like the one
>>with Spanish speaking students.  The Board reasoned that black students
>>fall behind in their studies because they do not understand common
>>English instructions.
>>This is another step to divide and not to unite races.  Go figure.
>>Gabor M.
>>
>I fully agree.  On the top of it, these people won't get a decent 
>education if they won't be able to speak/write English, so even the smart 
>and ambitious ones won't be able to get out of poverty.
>This is the same stupidity as what the Quebec government does, to deprive 
>children of learning decent English, with their French only policy.  
>Agnes

Perhaps if they learned decent French they wouldn't end up so stupid. French 
is a major world language -- it is not a cause of stupidity, poverty, or any 
other social ills. Perhaps it would be better if all Hungarians were 
required to learn English, instead of Hungarian. At any rate, Quebec permits 
English instruction of those students whose mother tongue was English -- in 
fact, Quebec (a French province) is far more generous in English education 
than are Alberta, Manitoba, Ontario, etc (English provinces) in French 
education. And French communities exist largely at their own expense outside 
Quebec in spite of the fact that there are majority pockets of them hither 
and yon across northern Ontario, Manitoba, New Brunswick. 

While I agree with you insofar as perceiving "Ebonics" as regressive in 
matters of advancing education and understanding, I disagree with your 
Anglo-centric assessment of Quebec's policies.

Test only

 wrote:
>Hi, Gang!
>I received Ma'rta Sebestye'n's album, Lovessongs, for Christmas and have
>really enjoyed listening to it. I have a few questions, though. First, do
>all of her albums sound like this? She has a beautiful voice, but the
>instrumental accompaniment on the album was a tad too electronically
>synthesized for my tastes. Am I better off getting her albums with
>Muzsikas if I want to hear her backed by more traditional instrumentation?
>Second, is this singing style of hers typical of Hungarian folk music or
>is she sui generis? The music on this album sounds like it has Celtic and
>Middle Eastern elements to it. I like it and it didn't take me twice
>listening through it all the way before I picked up the tunes. If this is
>a pretty representative sample of Hungarian folk music, I think I'd like
>to start collecting some more. Any suggestions?
>Sam Stowe
>
>
>
>
>"Alright, that's it! I've had it up
>to here with that grieving chicken
>widow crap!..."
>-- Ren Hoek

Yeah, if you wanted to listen to real Magyar ne'pzene or Erde'lyi 
ne'pzene you'd have to find her with Muzsikas. There is a Hannibal CD 
with a dozen tracks with Muzsikas. Its not bad but I am not sure how much 
it would cost. Of course, if you're interested in folk-music (the real 
stuff - not the nota'k), Hungaroton and Qualiton has some tapes and maybe 
CDs with groups other than Muzsikas but with Sebestye'n singing in them 
with these other groups. Only problem might be cost as a typical 
Hungaroton/Qualiton tape costs about $13.90 Canadian and a CD costs 
around $23.90 Canadian... maybe in the US it's cheaper... Damned Yankees! 
:-)

Cheers,

Peter Chong

Hej Jenny!
Jag ska ĺka till Ungern i sommar och stanna där i tvĺ mĺnader. Har du
nĺgra tips?

/Micke

Murat Kalinyaprak wrote:
> 
> In >  wrote:
> 
> > Daniel von Brighoff > wrote:
> 
> >>> Sumerian:       ab(-ba) 128,13a (father)
> >>> Finnish:        appi (father-in-law)
> >>> Hungarian:      apa (father)
> >>> Turkish:        aba (")
> >>> Mongol:         aav (")
> 
Swedish:	pappa

/Mike

George Kovacs > wrote:
>
>Nyertel.
>In Eternum.

Latom, a regi ministransok felismerik egymast. ;-)

BUEK!

Jozsi

In article >  (aheringer) writes:
>In article >  s
ays...
>>I will be moving to Budapest nest year and would like any information on
>>golf courses in Hungary.  I've heard that there are none in the area. 
>>Please tell me it isn't true!!!!!
>I am afraid it is.  [...]

Here is a site I recently flamed here for showing only the luxury side of
the country, but it seems sometimes this too can be of help... Excerpt from
<http://www.travelfirst.com/pays/hunloi.html>; (in French but should be
easy to understand):
| Pour les amateurs de plein air, citons aussi quelques parcourts de golf
| (pour plus d'information vous pouvez contacter la Fédération Hongroise
| de Golf, Bécsi utca 5, 1052 Budapest Tel (36-1) 117 6025). Birland Golf
| & Country Club. Terrains 9 et 18 trous, ouvert du 15 avril au 31 octobre,
| du lundi au dimanche de 9h00 au crépuscule.  (9740 Bürfürdo, Tel/fax
| (36-94) 358-527). St.Lorence Golf & Country Club, 9 et 18 trous ouvert
| du 1er Mars au 31 octobre (7940 Szentlorinc, Golf utca 3). Budapest
| Golf & Country Club (2024 île de Szentendre Tel/Fax (60) 321 673.

-- 
-- Olivier Clary   mailto:   http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1326/
Me'te'o-France/CNRM/Groupe Mode'lisation pour Assimiln. et Pre'vision, Toulouse
Aussi loin qu'est l'orient de l'occident, Il met loin de moi mes fautes --Ps103
Se nem kicsi, se nem nagy, / E'ppen hozza'm valo' vagy!  (Lakodalmas -Te'ka e.)

Hello!
I'm going to Hungary this summer for sabrefencing. Anyone know of a
good  sabreclub I can visit?

/Miklos

In article >  (Borje Lindskog
) writes:
>I could need some help with the subjective/ objective verbforms.
>I don't understand when you use the different forms.
>That's the most difficult thing right now.
>
>Jenny Lindskog

Here is how I summarized it in HIX/TIPP #785 (I suddenly feel old...),
which old HIX readers still remember as the origin of the legend of
"that Frenchman who knows Hungarian so well" (but grammar is not all!)

|* (A) Alaktani szabaly: Hatarozott a targy, ha
|
|(1) van mutato nevmas                           | Latom ezt. Latom ezt a hazat
.
|    vagy hatarozott ne'velo,                    | Latom a hazat.
|    akar implicit modon, mint pl. ha:           | Latom.
|    (1.1) targyi mellekmondat                   | Latom, amire celzol.
|    (1.2) szemelynev                            | Latom (az) Olivier-t.
|    (1.3) van birtokos szemelyrag: -m, -d, stb, | (A) feleseged(et) nem latom.
|                                                | Latom magam(at).
|                 -e'(i),                        | Meg a szomszedet is latom.
|                 -ik vegu nevmasok es "egymas"  | Mindegyiket latom.
|                                                | Igy lathatjuk egymast.
|(2) 3. szemelyu szemelyes nevmas                | Ot is latom.
|    akar implicit modon                         | Latom.
|(3) "valamennyi" ("minden" jelentessel)         | Valamennyit megeszem.
|(4) fonevi igenev, aminek van hatarozott targya | Meg fogja tudni mondani.
|
|* (B) Jelentestani szabaly: Megis hatarozatlan, ha
|
|(5) van birtokos szemelyragja egy nevmasnak,    | Mindegyikunket/mindnyajatoka
t
|       de a jelentese majdnem: _minket/titeket_ |               meghivott.
|(6) mutato nevmas,                              | Bort, azt innek.
|       de hatarozatlan targyra mutat            | Beszelni, azt tud.
|(7) "ami(ke)t/amely(ek)et" targyi mellekmondat, | Azt eszel, amit adnak neked.
|           (vagyis azonos a ket mondat targya)  | Azt csinalok, amit akarok.
|       de a jelentese majdnem: _akarmit_        | Csinalj, amit akarsz!
|           (ha a jelentese inkabb: nem mast,    | (Azt eszed, ami adnak neked.
)
|           akkor hatarozott - ez pedig gyakori) | (Azt csinald, amit akarsz!)

-- 
-- Olivier Clary   mailto:   http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1326/
Me'te'o-France/CNRM/Groupe Mode'lisation pour Assimiln. et Pre'vision, Toulouse
Aussi loin qu'est l'orient de l'occident, Il met loin de moi mes fautes --Ps103
Se nem kicsi, se nem nagy, / E'ppen hozza'm valo' vagy!  (Lakodalmas -Te'ka e.)

In article >  writes:
>If you ask a Frenchman in France, he would tell you that Quebec French
>is not decent French, because it is a dialect. [...]

No, it's clearly French, but with an awful accent :-)

>What is being observed in Quebec is the most narrow-minded and
>restricted chauvinism, and the younger people are being limited in their
>bilingual facility because of the government's deliberate policy. [...]

That immigrant kids are required to use French schools? It does not limit
bilingual facility but increases it: mother language + French. And like
all francophone kids they will watch US TV, and know more and better
English anyway than we generally do in France, or in Hungary.

>I suppose you think that the restrictions on the language on signs in
>Quebec is reasonable, too. 

I think it says French cannot be in smaller letters? This leaves room
for English when felt necessary, and helps the French not switch to
English due to massive English presence in media etc - at least this
is how Quebecker visitors usually explain it to us in France. It makes
sense to me.

Udv:
-- 
-- Olivier Clary   mailto:   http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1326/
Me'te'o-France/CNRM/Groupe Mode'lisation pour Assimiln. et Pre'vision, Toulouse
Aussi loin qu'est l'orient de l'occident, Il met loin de moi mes fautes --Ps103
Se nem kicsi, se nem nagy, / E'ppen hozza'm valo' vagy!  (Lakodalmas -Te'ka e.)

In article >,  says...
>
>Poetician1 wrote:
>> 
>> In article >,  says...
>><snip>
>> >>This is another step to divide and not to unite races.  Go figure.
>> >>Gabor M.
>> >>
>> >I fully agree.  On the top of it, these people won't get a decent
>> >education if they won't be able to speak/write English, so even the 
smart
>> >and ambitious ones won't be able to get out of poverty.
>> >This is the same stupidity as what the Quebec government does, to 
deprive
>> >children of learning decent English, with their French only policy.
>> >Agnes
>> 
>> Perhaps if they learned decent French they wouldn't end up so stupid.
>
>If you ask a Frenchman in France, he would tell you that Quebec French
>is not decent French, because it is a dialect. Anyway, you are putting
>words in Agnes's mouth, Wally. She did not say that speaking French is
>stupid or causes sstupidity, she said the policy of limiting access to
>English language education in Quebec is stupid.
>
> French
>> is a major world language -- it is not a cause of stupidity, poverty, 
or any
>> other social ills. Perhaps it would be better if all Hungarians were
>> required to learn English, instead of Hungarian. 
>
>You are setting up a straw man here, Wally. It is certainly a fact of
>life that people who speak a relatvely uncommon tongue are perforce
>obliged to learn a second language more so than people who speak one of
>the world's major tongues.For example, the Scandinavians as a group tend
>to be proficient in 3 or 4 languages. This has not hampered their
>facility in speaking their native tongues in any way.
>
>What is being observed in Quebec is the most narrow-minded and
>restricted chauvinism, and the younger people are being limited in their
>bilingual facility because of the government's deliberate policy. And
>this will not help Quebec or its people in the long run.
>
> At any rate, Quebec permits
>> English instruction of those students whose mother tongue was English 
-- 
>
>but they don't permit English education for those whose mother tongue
>was *other* than English, and I believe the policies on English
>education are becoming even more restricted than they were for children
>whose parents are English speakers, but I don't have the exact
>regulations at my finger tips.
>
>in
>> fact, Quebec (a French province) is far more generous in English 
education
>> than are Alberta, Manitoba, Ontario, etc (English provinces) in French
>> education.
>
>That is B.S. I live in Nova Scotia, where the government funds education
>in French immersion for Anglophone students - a very different attitude
>toward learning Canada's other official language than you find in
>Quebec. In addition, French students attending a school in Cape Breton,
>I believe it is, are upset, because they are being forced to attend a
>French language school, and they want to continue attending school with
>their Anglophone friends. 
>
> And French communities exist largely at their own expense outside
>> Quebec in spite of the fact that there are majority pockets of them 
hither
>> and yon across northern Ontario, Manitoba, New Brunswick.
>
>The French population of Manitoba is about 50,000 in a population of
>about 800,000, I believe. The question is how much governement
>subsidization is reasonable/feasible to support such a small minority. 
>> 
>> While I agree with you insofar as perceiving "Ebonics" as regressive 
in
>> matters of advancing education and understanding, I disagree with your
>> Anglo-centric assessment of Quebec's policies.
>
>Criticism of Quebec's policies should not be seen as Anglo-centric. I
>doubt very much if Agnes has any particular bias toward Anglos, being as
>she is an allophone. Suppose the English-language children in the rest
>of Canada were told that they *could* not study in French? What would
>you think of that policy? 
>
>I suppose you think that the restrictions on the language on signs in
>Quebec is reasonable, too. 
>
>Yours,
>
>Johanne
>
>Thanks, Janka.  I replied to Poetician1, but I didn't see it on the 
list, I probably made a mistake and sent him a private e-mail.  But you 
said everything for me.  Incidentally, I didn't even know you were a 
fellow Canadian!

Agnes

In article >, 
' says...
>
>In article >  
(Wally Keeler) writes:
>>Path: 
magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!
nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!arcligh
>>From:  (Wally Keeler)
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
>>Subject: Re: Wally's inability to spell (RIPROPP)
>>Date: 23 Dec 1996 05:11:17 GMT
>>Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
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>>Message-ID: >
>>References: > 
> 
>
>>Reply-To:  (Wally Keeler)
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet3.carleton.ca
>>X-Given-Sender:  (Wally Keeler)
>
>
>
>>George Kovacs ) writes:
>>> Wally Keeler megint nem fe'r a bo"re'be: 
>>> 
>>>>Watch out Torski, scm has an official spellnazi in its midst
>>>>named Georgy KoVacuous. You'll have a lot of esplaining to do.
>>> 
>>> No person by that name ever posted on scm. Wally is having nightmares 
again.
>>> Only self appointed poets are required to have perfect spelling.
>
>>Name the poets that are not self-appointed.
>No need. Irrelevant.

I knew you were incapable my litle unpublished OH-stupident.