In general, pathological liars are ignored. Unless their
person, and/or the topic of their lies so warrants.

William Saffire, I am sure, would not have bothered branding
Hillary Clinton a "congenital liar" if she was a retired
cleaning lady in lowly Little Rock, Arkansas.

In Hillary's case it was the PERSONAL STATUS that
called for a warning: "look, fellow Americans,
your First Lady is a congenital liar - this is the kind of
person you want to lead the White House??" - asked William
Saffire, by calling attention to what he believes is an
unacceptable lack of character for National Leaders.

By now we know Eva Balogh. She is not our friend. She is
incapable of telling the truth -- yet Eva Balogh is NO HILLARY!

In her case it is not the persons' importance that calls for
exposing her ceaseless avalanche of lies. She is clearly a
totally unimportant person. A nobody -- a pensioner who for
forty years has not bothered even to familiarize herself with
Hungary, Hungarians and/or Hungarian politics. I, for one,
could not care less about Eva Balogh, or whomever that disguise
hides. I don't even want to see her CV, even if she did not
have something to hide by witholding it from us.

I don't know her, I wish never meeting her. She might as well
did not exist for me. Her PERSON has absolutely
nothing to do with my fierce opposition to her blatant and
incredibly stupid lies.

It is the TOPIC of the lies I deeply care about!

In exactly the same manner as "Holocaust deniers" are fiercly
attacked, and their life is deliberately made hell -- no matter
WHO they are. It is no excuse if a "Holocaust denier" is a niemand,
a nobody, a retired cleaning lady at Yale University. Or whatever.

Some patriots of small Nations would simply not tolerate LIES
about the most sacrosaint episodes of their National History -
regardless of the person (or non-person) of the perpetrator!

LET IT BE KNOWN THAT WITH ZERO REGARD OF THE PERSONAL STANDING
(OR LACK OF) THOSE WHO DENY HUNGARIAN FREEDOMFIGHTERS OF 1956,
THEIR LIFE WILL BE MADE PURE HELL, THEY WILL BE DRAGGED THROUGH
ALL THEIR FILTH IF THEY DARE DENYING HEROES OF A SMALL BUT
PROUD NATION (in this case, of Hungary).

Please note, that (yet another pathological condition by Eva Balogh)
it is always she who "comes back for more" -- is incapable to stop
lying. She had a zillon occasion to "let go" and/or "say uncle"
and leave memory of Hungarian Freedomfighters alone! Most of us know,
for instance, that this whole "Freedomfight denial" originated NOT
from Eva Balogh but from a much more dangerous hate-speech monger
against Hungarians, who at least have an IMPORTANT PERSON (as a
relative of him); Andras Kornai. Yet, even the originator of
Freedomfight-denial, Andras Kornai has by now long abandoned his
provocative ploy, by publicly claiming "I am fighting a loosing
war with Szabadsagharc [Freedomfight of 1956]".

Lastly, note that Eva Balogh, even at a point where she is ALMOST
begging for mercy, and is pleading her case as O.J. Simpson not
being able to see his kids for more than a year, adds insult to
injury -- rather than let go of her sclerotic lies about the
1956 Revolution and Freedomfight:

She dares to repeat, in writing, that "Freedomfight" does NOT mean
"Szabadsagharc". Clearly, a good portion of readers of scm (most
definitely almost the entire readership of the "Hungary"-list)
simply cannot read/speak the Hungarian language - thus Eva Balogh
thinks she can get away with her unbelievably primitive lie.

Take the most accepted dictionary "Angol-Magyar Nagyszotar" by
"Orszagh Laszlo" (Akademiai kiado,1976, ISBN nnn-nn-nnnn I-II, vol.
I. p. 763).

What do you read under the heading "freedom" (LITERALLY, free means
"Szabad", freedom means "Szabadsag")? Of course, you have the first
meaning of "Freedomfight"="Szabadsagharc"!

----
freedom (1) szabadsag, fuggetlenseg.  Fight for ~ : SZABADSAGHARC,
fuggetlensegi harc, ~ of the press: sajtoszabadsag [etc, etc]
----

Regardless of unimportance and/or pathological condition(s) of Eva
Balogh (or ANYBODY, for that matter) I owe MY SZABADSAGHARCOS FRIENDS
WHO FOUGHT 16 TANK BATAILLONS OF THE SOVIETS FOR FREEDOM OF
HUNGARY THAT I WILL  *N E V E R* STOP FIGHTING THOSE WHO WANT TO
TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THEIR ETERNALLY HEROIC DEEDS.

After all: If they could stand up to 16 tank-bataillons with rifles
and Molotov-cocktails, would it not be a shameful betrayal NOT to
stand up to some stupid idiots who -like a brainless pebble in the
shoe- keep irritating a Nation, by defaming our brightest heroes?

I pledge to leave Eva Balogh alone, advance her my total ignorance
of her existence, at the milsecond when she stops defaming Hungary and
Hungarians by her incessant, and clearly provocative, pathological LIES.

 (Maria Egorov) wrote:


>I consider you an ANTI SLAV&ANTI JEW.
>JUST IN CASE ,YOUR COMMUNITY OF HUNGARIANS RESPONDS
>POSITIVELY 
>TO YOUR REQUEST,take the following:
>Make my Slavic day.(But remember I was not the one who called the JEWS 
>and
>SLAVS 
>rats and subhumans.This was done by the so called ARIAN nations(Germany,
>Austria
>and definetly Hungary who pretend to be a Germ. nation.-non
>comprehandable to me,SINCE THEY ARE MONGOLS)

	etc. etc. This time the message comes not from AOL.com but
PRODIGY.com. By now there is no question that Maria Egorov is a mental
case and therefore I would recommend to ignore her.

	And by the way, we should all write to PRODIGY this time. Several
people, including me, wrote to AOL about the harrassments we received
from one of their subscribers.

	Eva Balogh

>"The Germanic people are barbarians and terribly stupid.We cannot employ 
>them in our
>Legions because they do not have the capability to think.This 
>inconvenience is created 
>partially because these people live in a  climate where they do not 
>benefit of the sun's
>rays,".

>Since I have a long memory Mr.,I should remind you that the Hungarians 
>who distroied so 
>many innocent lives (during WW2)cannot hide for long under a transparent
>curtain.(Pretending that the Germans did it all).

>And since you provoked me with your  MARTIAN statement, it is my duty to
>ADVANCE you a salute : Be extremely careful(no enemy is small). As the 
>English said
>once:
>"You
>live on the old continent for a millennium or so,
>but you did not learn anything."
>Please try to learn.Help your people.Do not be ignorant.Try to become
>EUROPEAN.

In article >,
Maria Egorov > wrote:
>This is a terrible insult.I am going to ignore it for obvious reasons.

Here it is again for obvious reasons:
> ------------------------------------------
In article >,
Maria Egorov > wrote:
> This was done by the so called ARIAN nations(Germany,
>Austria
>and definetly Hungary who pretend to be a Germ. nation.-non
>comprehandable to me,SINCE THEY ARE MONGOLS)
>The Slavs and Jews know their history.(Do you know yours,Mr.?)
>For your knowledge:

Just to settle this bullshit for once and forever:

If you had ever heard about anthropology, you would know by now that oriental
nations (mongols included) are characterized by the almond shaped eye and the
high cheekbones. If you did not have your head in your rear end you
would see that Hungarians don't have these. Clear enough or you starve for more
punishment?
Yes we do know our history, and obviously you have no idea. Not even a light
lilac steam (halva'ny lila go"z).
--------------------------------------

>It is true I am not an Antropologist.But I heard of Antropology.

Yet you should try Anthropology as I suggested. Once I saw a man who saw a 
picture with a satellite on it. Yet I'm not a rocket scientist.:-)

>What else
>I have heard and read I will be delighted to share with you.

Quote from Rhett Butler: Frankly my Dear, I don't give a damn!

>
>It is also true that the Hungarians of today look European.But their
>roots are Mongolic.
>

Well they were our neighbors, there might have been some cross-pollination, but
you need some proofs. Now speaking of your roots ..... Nah. You're not worth
it.

>From Britannica :(Languages of the world)
>
>"Racially ............

You don't even know the difference between language and race. How do you
imagine gaining credibility?

>a bland of Europeans and Mongoloid types

That's 'blend', Dear.

>
> [The rest of it is too crappy even to bother, I leave it to Wally.]
>

Yes, I'm also too damn lazy to bother.
Sincerely,
GK

Nice try Maria, time to quit.
GK

In Kurdish language coret means your son.In article
>,  (Bob Coret)
wrote:

> My name is Bob Coret and I am researching the genealogy of the Coret family. 
> One thing I still do not know is the meaning and origin of the word 'coret'.
> 
> My questions to you:
> 
> Does the word 'coret' mean anything in your language ?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Bob Coret
> The Netherlands

Lets put it like this,do you think Albert Einstein after arriving in 
United States, started to yell
"I am a German"?.NOT AT ALL.
Do you really think that the Jews from Hungary (those who escaped the 
death camps) came to United States and proudly said:"I am a Hungarian" or 
"long live Hungary"?
Do you really think that these same Jews(only older)would change their 
minds just because 
you changed the government?. Or because the new government is 
experimenting with the 
art of Public Relations?.Or because Germany&Austria,the masters of Public 
Relations and your 
traditional friends,are advancing the idea that Hungary is the most 
progressive democracy in 
Eastern Europe?.


Any gesture of public relation(like inviting Jews to your home,etc.)will 
attenuate the pain,but they will definitely not become the Hungarians,
Austrians or Germans you wish them to be(PERIOD)
In the past Hungary,Germany&Austria called the Slavs,Jews&Gipsies: 
"RATS"&"SUBHUMAN"
This mentality still persists in Hungary and it is hidden as it is in 
Germany and Austria of today.
In these circumstances I know that there are no Jews who would proudly 
say:I am a Hungarian.


You are accusing me of being a racist?. Mr.,this is an unconvincing 
statement and it has to do with your ability of comprehension.

Every time I read something by ,
I am reminded of the the following quote by Winston Churchill.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the
subject."

Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965), British statesman, writer. Quoted
in: New York Times (5 July 1954).

Joe Szalai

P. S.  Just so there isn't any confusion, I believe that
 is the type of individual
Churchill had in mind when he made the above comment.

>>Why in the World would the World owe anything for that? Only Russia is
>>responsible for crashing it.
>>GK
What happened to the "Dulles-Eisenhower Doctrine"??
WHO invited the SOVIETS in?
Was the US State Dept. without fault?
---There was no such a country as "Russia" at that time..
-- 
Denes S. Varady,  N3NV

 wrote:

>I pledge to leave Eva Balogh alone, advance her my total ignorance
>of her existence, at the milsecond when she stops defaming Hungary and
>Hungarians by her incessant, and clearly provocative, pathological LIES.

	I do hope that you mean it! Get lost.

	Eva Balogh

Zoltan_Manyoki_HL_SP_PE_DES > wrote:
>  (Ray Fischer) writes:

>>>>> Btw, conception is a process that can take up to two days.
>>>
>>>Yes, human life begins with conception. 
>>
>>How do you know?
>
>Because, before conception, it's hard to imagine.

Not good enough.  Your ignorance and lack of imagination are not
sufficient.

>  After conception: when would this miraculous transformation take place?

The usual.  At birth.

>When the embrio splits into two it must already be _living_,
> otherwise it wouldn't be able to split.

My finger is living as well.  Is it a person?

[...]
>Whether they could be considered a person, that's a whole different ballgame.

Quite.

> Then come your twins rather handy.  But again, determining who is a person,
>has always been lawyering.

It's usually been a social determination.

>  Even in the ancient Rome, slaves were considered human beings,
>but not persons.  Under certain circumstances, they could be killed.
>Who is given the status of a person depends on society and changes 
>with the times.

Just so.

>In my opinion, since we do not know enough of what really happens 
>after conception, it is better to remain on the safe side and not 
>kill the embryos.

Your statement makes no sense.  We do know what happens.  And denying
the rights of a real feeling thinking talking woman for the sake of an
uncaring embryo makes no sense either.

-- 
Ray Fischer

In article >,  says...
>
>Robert Mobbs wrote:
>
>>         Try this: "There's no proof for the existence of a god.  Thus,
>> there is no reason to assume that he/she/it exists.  To me, there is
>> no god."
>
>I have no proof that there's a planet named Mars, 

	Sure you do.  Buy a telescope.  During certain points of orbit,
you can see it quite plainly.

>but I've strong 
>evidences and belief that Mars exists.

	You mean the nougat-y candy bar?  Num.

	Damn, and I thought MY .sig was long.

                              Robert L. Mobbs                  
                Microsoft WPG Software Development Engineer    
                                         
                                     - 
                "Got blues drawing crosses on my front door
                 Blues a' bringing buckets round the back
                Blues trying to push me from me white fence
                     And tar me a darker bluey black"
                                    XTC

In article > Gyorgy Kovacs,
 writes:
>>It is also true that the Hungarians of today look European.But their
>>roots are Mongolic.

>Well they were our neighbors, there might have been some cross-pollination, bu
t
>you need some proofs. Now speaking of your roots ..... Nah. You're not worth
>it.

We, Hungarians,are belong to the mongoloid race, and I like
it this way.

Partially Maria also, because her ancestors were fucked in-
tensively by mongol warriors through centuries, after do-
mesticating and enslaving those filthy mudhole dweller
worm-eater slavs.
But she is not, and never will be true mongol because her
forefathers preferred goats to women.  I^ve heard that
certain part of Maria's homeland the goat kids starts to
talk in Slavic languages spontaneously, without learning it.
This clearly indicates that Maria's nearist relatives not
the mongol or europian races but the goats.

Sincerely,
Tamas

I am currently looking for an a technical dictionary (to include
computer and internet terminology) from English to Hungarian.

I have perused the web for such a creature and have not found one yet.

If you have an idea of where I might find this on the internet, or a
CD Rom or hard copy I can order, please let me know.

I reside in Ottawa, ONTARIO Canada.

Thanks in Advance
Oh My Gosh Publishing
1730 St Laurent Bv, Suite 128
Ottawa ON   K1G 5X7
email 

Greetings,

  Could anyone out there please tell me where castle Csejthe (sp?) is located?


  Many thanks in advance,

Pedro