>Interestingly, it was pointed out to me once that that in comparison with the
>Canadian and US national anthems, the Hungarian national anthem is melancholic
>and that this melancholia is a national trait. If this is so, what are we to
>think of the Australians and their "Waltzing Matilda" anthem -- a nation of
>party animals and beach bums?
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I am not sure where you got the impression that the "Hungarian national
anthem is "melancholic". It is in fact an upbeat prayer. Furthermore,
melancholia is hardly a  Hungarian national trait. Our 1100 years of history
proves that beyond doubt.

Below find the translation of the Hungarian National Anthem :

               "God bless all Hungarians
                With joy and with amplitude
                Lend us your protective hand
                When fighting enemies rude
                Bring again a happy year
                After long bad luck and fear
                Atoned have we all our kin
                For past and future sins"

Dr.Janos B.vitez Koplyay
Professor of Mathematics

 (GEORGE OLAH) wrote:
>
>
>Ausztraliai la'togatok, fe'l e's majdnem kenguruk! Ha utaztatok mostana'ban ha
za
>innen a "nap e'gette" vegerol a vilagnak es van valami ugyes otletetek
>vagy hasznos tana'csotok irjatok mar egy par sort.
>
>Tudom a legeggyszerubb az hogyha bemegyek a Lufthansa-hoz es azt mondom
>" a Gyuri vagyok, a negy elso osztalyu jegyert jottem, Ferihegyig es vissza"
>de reme'lem hogy olcsobb modjat is sikerul talalni.
>
>Tobben javasoltak a Lauda Air-t, es mindenki ova intett az a'zsiai le'gi-
>ta'rsasa'gokto'l.
>
>Elore is koszonom hogy szakitotok idot ra'm!
>
>>>email: <<

Kedves Gyuri,

Egyik lanyom utazott a Laudaval, s nagyon kellemes es kenyelmes utja 
volt. MAsik leanyom ment a British Airways-el, s szinten nagyon meg volt 
elegedve. Az ut kenyelmes, (de rettenetesen hosszu...-:) a kiszolgalas 
kellemes. Egy Internetti magyar ismerosom mult heten utazott ide Pestrol 
via London B.A.-el, o is meg volt elegedve.

Azsiai Airlineokrol hasonlot hallottam, mint Te. Olcsobb, ezer helyen 
megall, s ezer problema lehet....

Jo utat!

Varga Peter

U.I.: Egy nevrokonod fut it a helyi tanacs valasztasokon a Liberal 
Part-ot kepviselve....

In article > ,
 writes:
> well, first of all, the fact that hungary, estonia, and finland, 
>     countries linked by common ethnicity and origins (more or less) share 
>     the top places in suicide rates, is quite a hell of a coincidence.

If you favour such links you really have to concentrate on the language.
There is no ethnical link  between Hungarians and Finns or Estonians.
Genetically we are a mixture with large portions of Turk/Alan/other
steppian blood.
The signs of this origin is prevalent in the early, conquest-time Hun-
garian tombs. The contemporary descriptions of Hungarian warriors
are talking of a not-so-tall, wide faced, dark haired, dark skinned,
turk-like man who even spoke Turk language beside the Hungarian. 

If you look at our nearest relatives on the base of the calculated
genetical distances the result could cause some surprise. Our nearest
genetical relatives are two of our neighbours: Croatians and Slovaks.
The genetical distance between Slovaks and Croats are bigger than
the corresponding genetical distances to Hungarians. Funny, isn't it ?
(They are not so Slavic genetically as one would believe it.)

>     compare this to the suicide rates in latin-speaking countries such as 
>     spain, italy, france, romania - i do not have the exact statistics, 
>     but i think it is much lower.  or even to germanic countries as well.

What I wrote earlier was based on the *recent* statistics and some of
the possible explanations which root in the Hungarian folklore or history.
You must take into consideration that this sky high suicide statistics is
a new phenomena. Those folkloristic suicide customs were carasteristic
to a very small part of the country. Our overall suicide statistics was
normal, average then . The tendecy  bolted quite recently, in the fifties,
under stalinism. The sudden, sharp rise took place within few years. 

This bloody  statistical data is available somewhere around , I try to
hunt it up by gopher. It was once published here in s.c.magyar or maybe
in HIX.HUNGARY. 

Tamas

"Szege'nyse'gi bizonyitva'ny" - I know the meaning but I am
 interested to find out about the origin and some background.
 - Andras

 wrote:
:      >From:  (AND Books)
:      >obvious typo, i meant Sumoyedic
:      aaah, SUMO-YIDISH, of course......
nah! try Samoyedic re: Ural-Altaic somewhere in Siberia
:      >>need existential re-evaluation cause: 
:      >hu? a santa clause? a kinda quantifrier? Polish NOTation, no less :)
:      corollary, my dear andbooks, corollary...;-)
       ^^^^^^^^^
don't you mean "corporal" ?
:      
:      "The thought of suicide is a great source of comfort: with it a calm 
:      passage is to be made across many a night. "
:      -Friedrich Nietzsche 
you follow a dangerous pattern cee, next a quote from Heidegger?

:      >inclusive tyme lines that take you to Rheimiam inner-space 
:      >aka subdenumerable inf sets
:      
:      aah....why didn't you say so in the first place....however, YOU should 
:      know that quantrons and teflons only exist in the non-existent 
:      rheimiam realm for a mere nano-eternity and therefore considering 
:      rolarian_time_folds...
is this what you learned at your local Nagel/Rollo May community college?

<clip>

in a strangely Ignatian spirit, you DO clarify the topic of suicide...
superfluous vs. superlative :)

have courage

janos

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